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Stories from Fellow Employees
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Contribution:
I
was laid off in March 1993 at age 48 along with thousands of others
in Poughkeepsie, mainframe engineering. My story is the same as
many of those you have read here. 19 months later I found a great
job and have been there nearly 8 years. I belong to the company
union and I love being a union member. Dont lose hope. Just
dont give up trying as so many of my fellow beemers did. For
those of you still at IBM, if you dont unionize you will be
writing your sad tale here someday. Dont believe your manager
that you are safe, we all heard that bull, too. There are 3 reasons
people dont unionize: disbelief that the union will help you,
fear that there will be reprisals, dont want to pay dues.
Three very stupid reasons to give up what is your only hope.
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Updated
09/07/02
- I really do not
know where to start my story regarding my recent entry into the category
of being "layed-off" by IBM after 29 years of service. The
".. human resource action and skill rebalancing..", which
IBM initiated under the SVRG Action Plan on May 22nd, came as no surprise,
considering my age and the circumstances many of us write about. Nevertheless,
I have read some of the "stories" posted here and while I
sympathize and can relate to the mixed feelings one experiences after
being separated from IBM, I can only wonder if Lou Gerstner was right
when he said that IBMers have somewhat become complacent over the years.
Can it be that we are partially guilty for not taking more decisive
actions to fend off what is and has been happening to so many of us
and to our lost colleagues over the past years?
When the first layoffs occurred back in 1994, many of us (if we are
honest), who survived, simply wiped our brows and felt relieved about
not being "selected" . Emotions ran high then and still do,
but I feel that we are somewhat to blame for not taking a more active
role to protect all of our positions, wherever they are with IBM , be
it in the factory, field, administration or development.
I personally am somewhat responsible for not taking such a activist
role. I should have tried to make the majority of us formulate a stronger
voice, whether it is though a union organization such as the Alliance
or simply standing up as one voice, like Norma Jean Ray did against
management. We cannot and will not be able to turn the tide of these
corporate directives, if we, the majority within the IBM working class,
do not stop waiting for the next person to take up the cause. We have
become our worst enemy, because we fail to mass together in solidarity.
The stories are interesting reading on this site, but that is where
it will end, simply past stories of disgruntled employees. What one
must do is to take a stand for all workers in all corporations. And
just maybe we can make a difference for our children's future, who most
likely will also be employed and have to struggle for security and prosperity.
I hope I can seize the strength and possibly become this century's Norma
Jean Ray story, and not sit back and simply watch from the sidelines,
complaining about what corporate America did.
- I had always been
somewhat hesitant in embracing Unions, however, in light of the job
actions of IBM, some of the ludicrous "demands" made by management
(for example... we've always been told to claim our hours accurately,
but were also told that if we continued to claim more than 46 hours
per week, that it would result in additional people being let go in
our department. Of course the concerns were raised that the work wouldn't
be completed if we didn't work over the "magic" 46 hour figure,
resulting in us missing PBC goals...etc..etc).... I can now see where
a Union is not all that bad of a thing. I'm in my early 50's, and yes,
I'm very fearful that I will be targeted as an employee to eliminate.....IBM
is quickly becoming a more frustrating place to work. Because of this,
I have decided to join Alliance@IBM/CWA.
- My story is a little
different than others you read here. I too was notified on May 24 of
my pending layoff, but I was given a 4-day extension to May 28 as I
had two internal interviews that could not be scheduled until the 24th.
I took both those interviews and on May 24th accepted one of those assignments.
I thought all was well until the May 27th when suddenly access to internal
systems started to be restricted. Over the holiday weekend I lost access
to most other network resources until ten days later Notes was finally
cancelled.
From May 25th, when I received word that my transfer had been begun,
to July 11th, I thought all was well with the world as I had a new job
within IBM. I was told (in writing) that verbal approvals had been given,
that only the formal paperwork had to be completed. As each day passed
I became more concerned that I had not received the okay to report to
the job location. On July 11 the world came to an end. I made a call
to the Project Exec that had hired me, who over the two weeks since
May 24 when I accepted the job reassured me that everything was progressing.
I learned that the job had gone south. I was reassured again that the
severance package would be made available to me, but my only response
to this was; "I had a job offer from IBM, doesn't IBM stand behind
its word? What of the two weeks I waited to be told I had no job,
I was told it was too bad but the best I could be reimbursed for was
until May 28. It would be too much work to push for a July 11, or July
17 (when I signed the package) termination date.
For those who wonder what a lawyer would say about this, I did consult
one. The answer ended up in a newspaper column in the July 22nd Waterbury
Republican (CT) newspaper where it was explained that even though you
may have a real good wrongful dismissal case against your former employer,
you must have deep pockets to wage a long battle with a major corporation.
I signed the package like many of us, out of desperation to keep food
on the table. The end result: I got my severance, but my son has lost
out on college for this year because he cannot qualify for a loan being
that I am unemployed.
- After almost 25
years of loyal service and a consistant 2 performance throughout a career
that spanned Manufacturing, Process & Equipment Engineering I was
booted out. Our department was disbanded after almost 9 years of service.
Only 2 guys in the department were transfered to another part of our
function. These two guys were mostly 3 performers throughout the time
I worked with them. But, they were the managers' pets and it was well
known throughout our department. So, you can take it from there. I'm
interested in joining the Alliance because I might be able to contribute
in helping others keep their jobs in the future. IBM has become a joke
and 'Ole Tom must be rolling in his grave.........
- I was laid off,
at the age of 57, after 24.5 years, on June 24. Don't fret for me, I've
found a much better job outside of IBM. Anyway, I had two "3"s
performance ratings. The managers who gave me these "3"s told
me that it was an "automatic" rating because my sales unit
did not make quota. I was not to "take the rating personally"
and my many contributions to the business were still noted. I did not
miss my personal quota because I did not have one -- I was in a sales
support role. Like a sheepish and loyal employee, I did not protest
these ratings.
In my "30 days to find another job," I found two (through
the grapevine, not through Jobpost) for which I was highly qualified.
I did not get the first because "there was no headcount" at
the moment, and I did not get the second because "it was a newly
formed unit and they did not exactly know what they needed." Less
than a month after leaving IBM, I learned that the first job had been
given to a 4-year IBMer, a junior clone of me, whose mentor I had been,
and the second job was filled by someone from outside the company.
- I am 46. I was
laid off. Right off the bat I can think of two less skilled colleagues
that were spared. They are in their 30's. I was told that my skills
had been surplussed. Just under three weeks after I was informed, I
spotted a job posting from a large contracting house that IBM uses.
The posting indicates a need for five long term contractors. There is
enough detail in the posting to make it clear that this was posted by
my first or second line organization. Also, a former colleague verified
that there was an interest in hiring contractors.
Maybe I would be hired as a contractor. Maybe an attractive arrangement
could ensue. But it doesn't smell quite right.
- I too, am in the
over 40 (46 to be exact) crowd. After working for IBM for nine years
and finally getting the promotion I've been asking for, wihin eight
months I get laid off.
If you are affected by their "resource action" it will be
very hard to get another position within IBM. THEY WILL AVOID YOU WORST
THAN AIDS, CANCER AND THE WEST NILE VIRUS COMBINED! Don't believe the
hype!
I asked at least twice was it based on performance and was told it was
not, but was based on the band level of my pay. The funny part was I
just got promoted to this band level. Then I go to the local DBM office
and noticed I wasn't the only one in the mature age crowd. I knew then
something just wasn't right.
If IBM and other companies need to cut back on resources in a tight
economy, they should start from the top down instead of the bottom up.
We should not be punished for corporate mis-management, glutton, improper
forcasting and any other inventive ways to line their pockets while
emptying ours.
Corporations JUST DON'T GET IT. Their are many reasons to keep established,
knowledgeable workers than to hire newbies that are ready to jump ship
to get that extra dollar somewhere else.
MY FORCAST: In a year or two IBM will hire contract workers to file
these positions. Look at their past trends.
Updated
07/14/02
- I was hired by
IBM in September 2000 after I got my MSEE in a top engineering school.
Half a year later, in May 2001, I got 14% salary raise due to my outstanding
performance. Then IBM sponsored my part-time Ph.D. in an ivy-league
university. I passed the doctoral qualifying exam this January. By any
means, I consider my experience in IBM a story of success. I was laid
off in the June-4th-1500-cut event that IBM admitted publicly. I see
people in their 50's submitted their story here, in which you can find
IBM purposedly lay-off old people to save pension cost. IBM is definitely
not a good place for old people, not one for young people like me any
more either!
- May 7, 2001 I was
hired as a professional hire into ITS. June 17, 2002 while employed
on a major internal consulting project I was told "my services
were no longer required." I'm in my late 40's, and prior to working
with IBM worked as a freelance consultant. Now I will return to freelance
activity, never to consider employment with a major corporation again.
I know of 4 others from my area who were also released.I also met 2
who had been released from BIS. I received a package but that doesn't
lessen the shock of being asked to leave, without explanation.
- I won't go into
this much but I was a 1 and 2 performer same as everyone else. Let's
just say WE ALL KNOW that performance isn't the reason. I was in a meeting
with some of the people that were let go. Let's also say that 99% were
over 40. I have no idea why I was let go. I talk to my management when
they told me I was being let go and he said one thing. I had a meeting
with him again and he said something completely different. What I cant
understand is why my department would hire in four new people within
the last year, all with the same skills as I have or less, and now I
get cut. Two of those four came to the department in the last several
months ( I think these people lost there jobs and were being placed
in my Dept. ). I also dont understand why my management team told
me they knew what my skills were, yet they neglected to give me projects
that I was capable of doing. These projects went to the new hires. The
people they brought in were assigned work and projects that I could
do. I even asked my management team a few months before they told me
and asked if I was being setup. My reasons were that nothing new was
being sent me for work. There were 3 of us cut in my dept. All over
40.
- Comments : I have
been an IBM employee for twenty years and my husband has been an IBM
employee for twenty-two years. We met at IBM many years ago, and we
have two young children to support. My husband received a call on May
23 informing him of his layoff. After a stressful
weekend dealing with this news, I received a call from my manager on
May 29 informing me of my layoff. Appeals to the project office and
to Sam Palmisano's office to save one of our jobs were unheeded, unanswered.
We were each given thirty days to find another job within IBM; NO help,
NO
compassion from management.
On June 21, one
week before our layoff date, my husband was informed that he beat
out all of the other applicants for a transfer to one of the rare
jobs available in another division. He was called and offered the
job, which he accepted, and he was given a start date of July 1. We
celebrated all weekend! Then on June 28, the day that I was to be
separated, my
husband was informed via an early morning email from his "new"
manager that the transfer did not go through because the cost savings
from the layoffs had to be realized, and he was going to be separated
after all. He was separated at 9:00 am Friday, I was separated at
3:00 pm on the same day. All that my manager said to me, after twenty
years of my life dedicated to the company, was "Thank you for
coming."
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I was a "participant"
in the LSWR (Lotus Software Resouce Action), laid off as of 4/5/2002.
100 people were laid off at this time, and I have noticed that this
"action" doesn't seem to have been reported on your site.
It affected people in Cambridge and Westford, MA;Portsmouth, NH; and
Wayne, PA offices. I had 5.5 years of service with IBM/Lotus, and
also was told I was let go due to the outcome of a skills assessment
procedure. I was the most tenured person in my group, a team leader
twice, and had also been previously hand-picked by my director to
try a newly created position several years ago. When I pressed management
for details on what skills I supposedly lacked, I didn't get any real
answer, except that it wasn't my hard skills, but areas like "leadership"
and "project management". Other laid off folks got this
same story...I did also begin receiving a "3" rating last
year for the first time, after always rating "2" in all
previous years. Also, we had 30 days to find a job option, and I interviewed
4 times, but with no luck. A quick review of the "participants"
from my "action" indicate an average age in the 40's range.
- : I am 59 years
old. I have worked for IBM since 1965. I have always done more than
my share of work. Most of my career I have been rated a "2"
on my annual appraisal. In 2001 my manager rated me a "3"
because of invalid customer complaints. Then in 5/2002 was only one
laid off from IBM. My manager has no idea of how we are doing our job.
We can "doctor" our reports to make it look like we are going
great. In reality, most of the workers in my area do as little as possible,
and try to get others to do their job. So managers look at reports and
think everything is fine. Machines don't get fixed until someone who
cares fixes their problems on late/weekend coverage. These problems
have been brought to the attention of my manager only hear that "what
you see is what you get and I don't plan to make any changes".
My manager is probably 70-75 years old and doesn't want to do anything
that creates work or headaches. He might know how to manage, but he
definitely doesn't know what's going on in the field!
- Well things just
ain't the same here in Greenock, Scotland, as you must have heard by
now it's the same all over.I feel for the older ones in here, they have
so much to lose and yet so do the younger ones, but lou has it all fixed
his way as we all can see there must have been a big board meeting a
while back with all the directors of each plant and so on and they have
been to to cut back in every way possible. As many people have said
here, it is not the same company we started working for so many years
ago and that is why people like you and I and so many others have voiced
our opinion on here. I still work at ibm but for how long I ask myself;
I also have a big mortgage and a loan to pay but if it happens it happens
what can I do ... we the workers will not have any of what the executives
have, and will hopefully live to have a wonderfull life and a healthly
one as well god bless all of you and live life as you mean to. A friend
in Scotland. God save us.
- I was told I was
laid off on May 29 from IGS in Lexington, Kentucky. I am 45 years old
and had 23 years of dedicated service with IBM. I was rated a 2, had
recently received a raise, and was NOT on the bench. It appears the
selection process in Lexington was totally random and political
- I was laid off
after 19 years with IBM last Nov. I am an engineer and came from a top
ranked university. My manager wasn't an engineer and had no idea what
our department was doing. He laid me off because my wife had a good
job and he felt I didn't need the money! I got a great job with a new
company which is a competitor of IBM's and I didn't have to move! The
funny thing too is IBM trained me and gave me an additional $2500 to
improve my skills with the competitor
company. I realize now that IBM's management really sucks.That's the
problem with the company. Notice how IBM is selling off pieces of the
company now? Hopefully IBM management will stop blaming their employees
for their problems.
Updated
06/16/02
- I was laid off
in March 1993 at age 48 along with thousands others in Poughkeepsie,
mainframe engineering. My story is the same as many of those you have
read here. 19 months later I found a great job and have been there nearly
8 years. I belong to the company union and I love being a union member.
Dont lose hope. Just dont give up trying as so many of my
fellow beemers did. For those of you still at IBM, if you dont
unionize you will be writing your sad tale here someday. Dont
believe your manager that you are safe, we all heard that bull, too.
There are 3 reasons people dont unionize: disbelief that the union
will help you, fear that there will be reprisals, dont want to
pay dues. Three very stupid reasons to give up what is your only hope.
- I have 24 years
and 7 months with IBM. I have never been rated lower that a 2. Less
than 2 years ago, IBM offered (and I accepted), stock options as incentive
to remain with the company because they believed I could positively
effect profit. I am a 47 year old, widowed mother of 2 teenage daughters
who had hoped to reach 'The Quarter Century Club' when I could possibly
bridge to retirement benefits and then work elsewhere until I reached
full retirement. I've worked all my life for this goal, and it's ripped
away from me with no better excuse that I was in the wrong place at
the wrong time. My chances for finding another position within this
company are very dim. Everyone within IBM is so afraid about losing
their own jobs that the inside network is almost useless. This is just
one of the ways that these layoffs affect those who are left behind.
It breaks comraderie and teamwork and morale. IBM job listings are a
farce. 80% of the jobs listed are already filled and have been posted
as a point of procedure. It's sad that this company treats its faithful
employees this way. I might as well go work for any other company...there's
nothing special about working for IBM anymore.
- I was once very
loyal and loved working for a company that had respect for the
individual, development plans, and employee opinion surveys. That
company no longer exists.
- I was given the
layoff package on May 23, 2002. I have been very busy since then dealing
with benefits issues, calling the IBM hotlines, taking the DBM class,
and updating my resume. I have located the ibm pension forum on yahoo
and have joined the Alliance@IBM to keep up with current events. I am
still very confused about what choices to make, what to sign, and where
to find another job. It seems I couldn't have been fired at a worse
time as far as getting another job is concerned. On a positive note,
I am thankful for the groups of IBMers on Yahoo and the Alliance@IBM
for providing information and support during these diificult times.
- This is the 3rd
time I have been selected. First time in Endicott, rehired and worked
Burlington 7 years. Selected in Nov 2001. Hired back to Fishkill with
M&L to move to Fishkill. Just bought a house after 6 months on the
job and they let me go. My manager knew I was buying a house a month
ago and he didn't say a word. This move has cost me my life savings,
6 months of family seperation as my wife was moving down this weekend,
my daughter has to go for counseling because of seperation my family
went though. All IBM can say is I'm sorry, and my manager's comment
that I can't even imagine what you are going through. I've been a 2
performer most of my 19 year IBM career. Forced to take a band 5 to
band 4 job to keep my job in Jan. IBM doesn't have any feeling or respect
for it's loyal employees.
- My employment was
terminated at IBM today after
24+ years. I am currently 49 years old. Actually I'm am quite glad that
I was one of those selected. I have not been happy or satisfied working
for I.B.M. since Gertsner took over the helm. He has turned a once great
company into a shell of it's former self. People praise him for what?
Gutting a once proud company & eliminating employee benefits &
trust. What has he actually done for IBM other than cut cost thru screwing
the people that made up this once great company. I am glad I am no longer
a part of this sham. I am a paying member of the union since I strongly
agreed we need a collective voice in dealing with these con artists.
I think it's time people wake up to the fact that if we as the people
do not unite soon we will become a part of a new third world country
called the United States as all of our jobs are expedited to ASIA.
- I am an I/T professional
with 17 years of experience.
3 years ago I, along with many other people, was outsourced to IBM from
AT&T. On May 9, I was laid off by IBM.
Despite company
assurances that we would be given training and the opportunity to
look for jobs elsewhere within IBM after our jobs were "offshored"
to Canada and India to save money; these opportunities never materialized.
We were lied to by IBM. During the time we were employees, we never
felt like we were a real part of the company.
I am 48 years old and considering filing an EEOC complaint.
- I was laid off
after only 11 months in my new position. I was told that the decision
of who to lay off was based upon skill set and performance.
Funny, but within my area (and many other IBM areas) new employees automatically
receive a 3 rating for the first rating. However, I received a 2 due
to my "excellent" performance.
Gee, isn't it funny how the story changes so quickly. By the way, my
area was just loaded up with a half dozen or more co-ops for the summer.
- I have 19 years
with IBM and was told by my manager on May 23, 2002 that I am being
permently layed off by IBM on June 24, 2002. I read more in the newspapers
than management shared with a employee of 19 years. There has been absolutely
no assistance from my manager at all in trying to find me another position
with in IBM. I have found and applied for several, only to be told I
am not in the correct division and although my skills matched to the
job they could not interview me. IBM has lost all that it once stood
for and
soon they will find that out as the great employees leave and go work
for the competition and attack IBM at the weakest points. Someone should
have thought about alternative plans such as having the entire 300,000
people who work for IBM take a week of vacation with no pay and have
the executives not take their bonus's. I am sorry to be leaving and
happy that this big bully will not be able to pull my chain anymore.
- On Thursday, May
23, 2002, I was informed by my second line manager that I had been selected
for permanent layoff. I am a 46 year old with nearly 24 years of service,
and a consistent 2 performer. This was a complete shock to myself and
my colleagues, and the reason I was given for selection was my skills
were not in line with the future of my organization or the IBM Corporation.
This makes no sense as I was a dedicated and loyal employee, an engineer
by degree, and IBM had much invested in me. The selection process was
handled by the second line and her manager, and this surprised me since
the immediate manager had no input into the process.
I received the hardcopy "package" with all the details and
summary of titles/ages of those selected/not-selected. A quick analysis
shows that a total of 750 people were selected for layoff, and the average
age of those selected was almost 44.
I was initially hopeful of landing another job within IBM, but have
discovered that virtually no one is in a hiring position (until after
July). Convenient timing.
That is my tale of woe. It is absolutely clear that the old principal
of respect for the individual has fallen way off the chart. Besides
the anger and humiliation I feel, it is also quite sad that my career
could end in such a manner.
- I was selected
for permanent disposal after 5+ years of service. Just like many others,
I wasn't told why I was let go. After reviewing many options on why,
I noticed the age group sheet of the selected and the non-selected,
it is apparent to me that an age discrimination thought process was
in effect. Most of the NewHire techs. are still there, that I trained.
Good Luck.
From
05/30/02 and earlier:
- At least 10% of
IBM's safety and nursing staff in the US was laid off last week. Earlier
in the year many safety and medical contracts were let go. Those of
us in the profession used to know that we were part of a company that
would do the right
things to protect it's people. I don't believe that anymore. Physician's
make up most of the occupational health services organization's management
team. None of those high priced doctors were let go. Just the folks
who do the real work.
- After reading a
few postings here, and talking to a couple of my former co-workers.
I feel that some of us were chosen due to our past medical history.
I developed cancer several years back.
- Justice won't be
served within our life time, but we have to keep on going. With resources
actions taking place all over the United States in almost every division,
IBM will continue PACA ( people asset cutting actions) for a long time.
As a person with an ADA handicap working within IBM human resources
its unfortunate that my handicap was recognized but never acted upon.
IBM HR (human resources) group represents smart human beings working
for a average computer company now .IBM has always indicated that its
people were its greatest resource. However, that resource is ourselves
not owned and/or manipulated by a higher power. To my layoff employees,
of which I am one, continue to strive for nothing but the best from
yourself.
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As the most senior
and experienced member of my [unspecified] team in SWG (and team lead,
no less), I was given the boot last week after 5.5 years of service,
plus 2 prior contract years. Get this -- I was rated a '1' for two
years prior to this past year, then dropped to a '3' (new manager,
bad manager -- [s]he gave nearly all of us 3's "because her boss
told him/her to..." -- whatever). So much for my hard work and
years of dedication. I learned a lot, but much of what I learned is
how to watch my back. I've been planning on this for 9 months, so
at least it wasn't a surprise. But letting us all go just a week before
we would have been eligible for 1/2 year's worth of variable pay --
well, that's a load of sh!t. I may not make as much at my next job,
but hallelujah, at least I'll be able to use my skills for something
better than guarding the corpse.
Updated
05/29/02
- I have been given
notice that I was chosen for permanent layoff on 05/24/2002
from SSG in San Jose, CA. My job position was Associate Programmer,
job family 2A. I am sole support for my household and have a son with
Down Syndrome.
I am currently 43 years 9 months of age, with 21 years 5 months of service
to IBM. I have been given 30 days to find a job inside IBM or my employment
will permanently end on 06/24/2002. I have to tell you all that I had
wanted to complete 25 years of service for what most people will find
a silly reason, upon completion of that term of service my church gives
a Bible with your name embossed on the cover as well as helping my pension.I
liked the people I worked with and had good rapport with most all of
them, much like a second family. I had ratings of 2 for the last three
years, a 3 for one year (at job family change) a 1 for five years and
then I had maintained a solid 2 rating for most of the rest of my tenure
at IBM.
Even with only twenty-one years of service I can definitely tell you
that the IBM of today is not the company I joined in 1980. It is so
changed for the worst that they should be forced to change the name.Anyone
with similar years or more can attest to this fact, this is not just
sour grapes, I truly did respect IBM at one time and did feel I was
(to steal a phrase from the US Marines) One of the few, the proud, the
IBMers. That feeling changed just about the time John Akers took
over. Then came King LVG, I thought he was a ax-man when he started
then he looked to be doing well
But then he jumps ship amid rumors
about questionable bookkeeping and earnings reporting, he jumped just
like a rat jumping from a sinking ship, turns out I was right about
King LVG. (This is my own personal opinion) I really do not think I
will waste much time looking inside IBM for a job, really how much time
will it buy? I feel like I have been sent to death row and walked to
the chamber, screw IBM I want nothing more to do with it, I do not want
to go back just to take the same walk again.
I knew even if I had worked at IBM, 25 or 30 years I would have to work
at another job due to my age, looks like I will start my second career
sooner then later.
I am off to attain my Cisco CCNA certification, being able to do the
work, saying you can do the work is nothing next to having the certification.
IBM will pick-up $2,5000 of the tab for a boot camp style class, I start
on June 17 and take the certification test on June 23, 2002.
I urge all persons in my position to use the retraining money.
I also was a strong proponent of the Union when IBM tried to rob our
pension plan, but most people did not want it, because IBM fixed it
and gave us a choice for cash balance or the old plan. Get your head
screwed on straight, they are just doing it a different way by terminating
the 20 year of service 40 or so age group, with just enough younger
people mixed in to save them from an age discrimination law suit.
If the kids left at IBM do not figure this out they are heading towards
IBM screwing them too, but that is no longer my problem.
I personally knew 4 other people same general age, time of service that
I started with and knew for 20 + years that were axed and many others
that I had known for a decade or more too.
To all my former coworkers, keep your head up, things will work out
for the better, dont let the bastards get you down.
Remember another person can only stop you temporally, only you can stop
yourself permanently.
Good job hunting to you.
Go out and live well.
- I was in California
when my manager contacted via Sametime and asked me to call. When I
called, I was informed that I was being laid off and my last day would
be June 28th. Lovely, since I'm now 3000 miles from home and have to
tell my wife and 4 kids that I've been laid off. Not my first line manager's
fault, but those above her - they should get chance to feel this way
someday.
- 5.5 years straight
2's and the largest raise ever. I won the prize! I was selected to participate
in the employee resource action. Newspaper said 150, looking through
the paperwork it looks like more than that. No management that I know
of... (from Rochester MN)
- Today in Rochester
the I-series Support Center lost several employees. Our particular group
had 8 IBM employees and several vendors. There were 3 women on our team
and all 3 were cut. We were given various reasons. So far what we have
seen and heard is that most of the cuts on Support Line have been women.
There were either a lot less men or they are not talking.
- I was let go today
for the second time. First in 1993 and now again.I asked how many people
were being let go and told by my manager that he couldn't tell me. How
do I know if they should be applying the WARN act? They told me that
I have 30 days to find another job with in IBM. I was also told that
the others areas aren't able to bring anyone in. That my manager had
tryed to make some phone calls with no luck. Suggested getting with
Drake Beam & Moorin first thing because there would be more to come.
- According to my
paperwork, SWG laid off 700 people yesterday, yet no mention in the
press. I was selected for layoff despite my 2 PBC rating and very favorable
performance reviews. I believe I was chosen for lay off because I have
recently developed a heart condition and I was working 1/2 time on Sickness
& Accident leave. In other words, I was costing IBM a lot of money
and wasn't bringing much in. None of the 4 new hires in my department
got laid off. I had 3 years of experience and am 28 years old.
- 8 of 12 in my department
were cut. I have 21 years of service with 4 years to retirement (had
planned to retire at 55 with 25 years of service - currently 51). (from
Charlotte NC)
- Laid off May 23
despite being the most senior non-management person in my department
in my role. (Though it's such a young department I've only been with
the company since October 2000, and I'm younger than some of my co-workers).
Another person in my team, and at least two others on my floor were
laid off as well.
Updated 03/10/02
- From an Advisory
Engineer in RTP: "I was given a package and told that I had 30
days to find another position inside IBM or be laid off on 2-22-2002.
I had 23 years and am 45 years old. According to the package, 326 people
received the same package/layoff notification. Very few found other
jobs based on the people I talked to at the career center."
- From an IT Specialist
in New York: "I was part of a resource action in the Printing System
Division that occured 1/7/02. I was told they did not want to fund my
job anymore. I was giving 30 days to find a job, which was unsuccessful.
I am 48 years old with 27.7 years of dedicated service. I will loose
50% of my pension and all medical."
- I worked for Sequent
for a year before IBM bought them out at the Beaverton Campus. IBM started
to put the pressure on our group, our managers actually told us if we
didn't take another queue, our group would be let go. We had 1 week
to learn a new operating system, and applications, etc. We barely had
time to even pick up a book before we were forced to take support calls
on a product we knew nothing about. I was promised a raise, promotion
etc if I would take these new calls, they used our group until they
were done with us. We suffered for 6 months barely treading water, with
promises that everything would get better and we'd all get raises if
we just hung in there. What we got was laid off, they came in and cut
our team in half. My boss wouldn't even look me in the face when he
let me go. He knew he had lied to us to get us to take these calls until
they were ready to let us go. IBM came in and ruined a good thing. IBM
sucks big time.
- From a CE in Texas:
I was forced to "accept a package" due to being in a customer's
office, when one of THEIR employees staged an accident, and attempted
to sue both IBM and myself. I defended IBM to the last letter. We won,
and the claimant took nothing, as well as perjuring herself. IBM didn't
care even slightly. I am fortunate to have made the move to a CWA company.
I'm glad to have realized it wasn't going to turn around at IBM. Support
your CWA activists!!!
- I was 'selected'
on 10/2/01 with a final date of 11/02/01. I was paged out of a kick-off
meeting for a contract with a company that IBM has been trying to get
BIS services with for a number of years. I had 4yrs, 4 months of service,
always a '1' or '2' and recently certified and promoted. I am 45 years
old and was two months from vesting in the pension account. I offered
to give back my severance payment if they would vest me in the PPA.
I was told that if they did that for me, they would have to do it for
other people. They should do that for all people in that situation.
I was told that I would receive 10/12 of my January bonus. Of course
nothing came and they deny ever saying that.
I understand that management that made terrible re-organization decisions
in 2000 that cost us business are now being demoted to principal level.
I guess it really is who you know.
What I do not understand is that we will all be customers in one form
or another some day. I guess they feel that they have enough of the
market.
- I am 50 years old
with over 27 years with the company. I was shocked on November 28, 2001
when I learned I was to be laid off. I am a consistent '2' performer
with revenue numbers among the highest in the country. I have no doubt
that this was part of IBM's policy of reducing employees on the traditional
retirement program to inflate their earnings. After
not being able to find a job right away, I signed the covenant not to
sue. This gave me 6 months pay and benefits. I gave up 40% of my pension
and all of my lifetime health benefits. Pretty rotten deal after spending
your whole career at a company!
- IF IBM EMPLOYES
DON'T JOIN THE UNION AND ORGANIZE THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING LEFT--I
HATE TO SAY IT BUT **REMEMBER ENRON YOU IBMERS!!!**
- I am 27 year old
female, I was with IBM for 2 and half years as an Information Technology
Specialist. I was affected by the resource action in November. I was
hired right out of college with a degree in Computer Information Systems.
I have all the current skills like Visual Age Java and Oracle. I was
even promoted this year from a band 6 to a 7. I have gotten 2's and
have not been on the bench once with a 98% utilization! Does this make
sense?
- I was laid off
with about 250 other people in IGS (The ITS group) on November 30 with
just over 28 years of service .....:-(. I know that the BIS organization
had a similar layoff the month before, and a friend in Sales and Distribution
is retiring this month due to an S&D reduction in January 2002.
- "BIS is having
another round of resource actions and I have until Feb. 28 to find another
position outside of BIS. Will you run a story? Why does the mainstream
media never run a story when IBM has resource actions? They write stories
when other companies lay off people. Please write a story about how
many are affected."
We'd
love to have a story to tell with all the layoff numbers. Unfortunately,
IBM will not provide them and they are not legally required to provide
them unless they come under the federal WARN act, which IBM has carefully
avoided this year by spreading out the layoffs over time and geography.
We can only publish what employees send us, so PLEASE send us a copy of
your layoff package, which contain at least some of the official numbers.
- I received my layoff
package. I count 470 BIS employees being laid off. BIS East(81), BIS
Cent(32), BIS West(22), BIS MI Sell & Supply(74), BIS MI Buy &
Supply(19), BIS MI Enterprise Resource(104), BIS MI e-Business
Integration(24), BIS Communications Sector(20), BIS Public Sector(10),
BIS Financial Sector(19), BIS Distribution Sector(21), BIS Industrial
Sector(29), BIS MI Middle Market(4), BIS Professional Development(2),
BIS Strategy &
Change(9)
From
01/27/01:
- Resource action
announced 01/26/02 in CSO locations: Atlanta MA & OE, Dallas SW
& HW, and A/R locations across U.S. All employees called in by Mgr.
and those "chosen" are given 30 days. Heard even Mgt. could
be affected.
- My manager advised
I was selected for latest layoff program, presented hard copy package,
and stated that last day of employement would be 2/7/02. Response reason
and selection process decision was "skills do not match job".
"This is not performance based". When I discussed a 1/7/02
meeting with my manager whereby I was advised that my job skills and
sales activities were satisfactory and I was performing as expected
and asked how things changed in 24 hours, no response was given. On
1/9/02 I received recognition and a monetary bonus award for strategic
business closed in 4Q 2001. I am 49 years old with 19.5 years of exemplary
sales service and performance at IBM. My sales colleagues are shocked,
and are most fearful that they will most likely be the next victims
of these artibrary layoff actions. Although I was afforded a pension
choice, I am most angered by management betrayal, and being denied full
retirement and health benefits in 5 years and 5 months when I would
reach age 55 with 25 years service.
- Even though I was
ranked a 1 and given glowing PBC reviews I was canned by IBM on November
2, 2002. I was a certified BIS consultant and have the worthless plaque
and paper from none other than Michael Albreacht to prove it.
I worked at IBM for
3 years and was 48 when dismissed.
- From a Burlington
employee: "From my perspective the layoff was brutal and showed
that we are well past even the "old" IBM, then past a mid-colder
IBM to a brutally cold and non-caring IBM. In my dept 2 people got the
axe, one guy with a PhD, and another engineer; both had about 15 months
on the job. I think the company now has a measurement that says if a
new hire cannot cut it in the 1st year they are out on the 1st layoff,
use it as a culling excuse. The suprising thing was that today, 1 week
after the layoff, my manager who laid them off is interviewing other
internal people to fill "newly" defined postions.
Also notice that there was no general buyout offer this time, but the
managers picking and choosing the victims.
Also note that those laid off are gone unless they find a position here
in BTV, FAT chance. Now if they do not find a job in the 30 days WILL
they be rehired on the upcycle of business? I don't think so. They are
dead meat as far as IBM is concerned, we go through the motions but
they do not have a chance at rehire.
Were these people told this on hiring? No way. We
hired people to meet headcount quotas a year ago, paid bonuses ($5k/engineer)
and now we are firing them.
Everyone at work feels that this is only the first round and more layoffs
are imminent.
From
01/06/01:
- Not gone yet but
you should see what is happening at IBM Canada this week. Tons of staff
are being told to find a job by the end of January or good bye. Seems
to be in all areas. No press release spotted at this time. And we thought
that 2001 was a very disfunctional year, what a beginning to 2002. In
general you get the feeling that no one cares or can see what is happening
to a company that once was the pride division of the company. Executives
seem very scared to say anything to their US counterparts or bosses.
- I am 53 years old,
and had 27 years with IBM on July 1. I was laid off as part of a resouce
action on Dec. 3, 2001. I was told I didn't have the skills they needed.
I was the highest paid employee in my area, a consistent 2 performer.
- I am 48 years old
and I was with IBM for 25 years mostly in East Fishkill. I was told
that my skill level was no longer needed even though my experience far
outweighed the newer engineers in my department. I was pretty much given
30 minutes to turn in my badge and pager and I would be escorted out
the door. We are also finding out that we are not allowed back in even
though several of the laid off, I mean fired, have had interviews.
- I was laid off
July, 2000 from IBM Global Services. The company stated it was due to
skills, but it was who they wanted to keep...I
was at the time 44. It has been 17 months
and I am still looking for a job. I have gone back to school for a Web
Design certification. Its
not the fact they laid me off, it was disappointing that they did not
think I could do another job within IBM.
- I worked in MD
in Endicott, for 8 years in the same dept, working both days each weekend
for a year & a half, always got excellent reviews, took on extra
responsibilities when asked. Still keep in touch with workers in dept.
Right now they are so busy they don't have enough people to get the
work out. They are still working both days, 8 hours each weekend
- "Laid off"
with 24 years, 4 months at age 55. Zero absents since '96 and consistent
2 performer.
- A manager friend
of mine told me Monday that he
had to "lay off" 7 people in his department that day. One
guy was 3 years away from retirement.
Today at our department meeting, my manager told us about a college-hire
dinner he attended for the software group. There were about 45 students
and about 15 IBM SWG managers there. My manager told us that he had
a college hire chit. He said he had an open rec and that he had a business
reason to fill that rec with a college hire. I
mentioned the recent Tivoli "lay offs" and asked him if one
of these people could apply for his job opening. He said no. Others
in my department were very interested in this exchange. One mentioned
that IBM layed off people at the sametime they hired college grads.
My coworker also said that they deliberately kept the jobs for college
hires
separate. My manager nodded in agreement at that.
- I am 41 yrs old.
I had been with IBM for 20 years. On 11/28/01 I was notified that I
had been 'selected' for the 'Resorce Action'. It came as a complete
surprise to me. I had thought that as long as you 'Met and Exceeded'
the requirements, Made significant contributions to the effort,a team
player, got along great with everyone, and were always present, that
you were considered valuable.
It's like ice-water in the face! Last year at this time I got the biggest
raise I'd seen in years, and a cash award for accomplishment, I've been
a solid '2', and occassionally a '1' performer throughout. What the
hell happened?
- I just got the
big boot. I'm a single mother of two college students. I've been with
IBM for 27.5 years. My PBC ratings have all been 2's - even the one
I got after being laid off. I've exceeded my utilization quotas. I had
a signed contract
thru the end of this year which meant that once again I would have exceeded
my quota. I've worked multiple contracts with the same client, so customer
sat is not an issue,,,My billing rate was 4 times my salary + commissions.
...Four of us in this location - I was the closest to making retirement.
Sounds fishy...
- Laid Off by IBM
after 4 years. Certified in May, told I was being laid off in July due
to skills rebalancing which can not be true given the fact that I worked
on and managed projects that are in areas that account for 75% of the
eastern region's revenues this year. Am 58 years old and am suing for
age discrimination. Looking for others who have filed EEOC claims and
are suing for age discrimination. (Note: please e-mail us if you'd like
to contact this individual)
Stories submitted through November 2001:
- I'm 49 years old
with 24 years in the company. This morning my manager called me in and
told me I was done. I was the first one let go in my department this
morning, so I don't know how many others are gone, but my manager said
it was over 400 in Endicott and much worse in Burlington.
- Microelectronics
employee, Endicott, 51 yr. old white male 21 yr employee, zero absentism
for 20 yrs. constant 2 appraisal for 21 yrs ... in top 2% of overtime
worked within the dept.
- I am a 40 year
old senior consultant in BIS and just got a layoff phone call from my
manager. It was a surprise. My utilization has been 80-90% for the last
six years. I have received "exceeds" or "far exceeds"
ratings on all of my evaluations. This is the third round of layoffs
we have gone through since July. The first two chopped about 20% of
my group of 100. Don't know how many have been affected in this "resource
action." I have been told that I will receive severance of one
week's salary for each six month period I worked at IBM (minimum 8 weeks
of severance). But of course I do not receive my check until I sign
the "agreement not to sue."
- I think it's time
I told you my story, 36 years (55 yr. old) with IBM East Fishkill, started
on the line worked my into management... July 8, I received an award
for the great work I was doing ... Aug 2, called in told that my performance
was not up to IBM standards and I will be terminated in 30 days and
if I did not sign the separation package in 28 days it would not be
available for me later. Called personnel and was told I better take
the package, time to move on. Great company we all work for IBM. I know
that there are others being forced out in Fishkill, all 30+ years ...
The NEW IBM does what they want to do and what is good for them. It's
time to start backing the Alliance. We need someone to back us up as
Employee and Retirees. We are going to need help fighting the NEW IBM,
they are trying to take all of our benefits away. It's time to Wake
UP before we don't have anything.
- On December 10,
2001 I would have been starting my 23rd year with IBM, that is not going
to happen! I was called in to see my manager on 10/25/01 and was informed
that I had 30 days to go and I was being let go. I work for division
48 as an AS400 SSR(CE) Position ...The reasons I was given for my dismissal
is simply the fact that I was not making my unrealistic quota of billable
hours for the year. The fact that I have a great relationship with my
customer set and work well with my peers was not discussed at all! It
was all about the numbers! I just can't believe this is happening!
- I have been laid
off from IBM Global Services after 18.5 years. My last position was
executive consultant acting a principal for the petroleum national practice.
I am 48 years old.
- I am 43 years old,
and have been with IBM for over 21 years. I was told on October 30,
2001 that I will be terminated on November 30, 2001, barring I find
another position
somewhere else in IBM. The only positions I have been
able to find in the company start in 2002!
My latest position
as a Senior I/T Specialist had me performing more in a Marketing capacity
as an Opportunity Manager. I was still expected to bill 75% at IBM's
hourly rates,
which was not realistic. Only one person in our unit was acheiving
this utilization, and she was on a full time contract. IBM Business
partner rates are much more competitive, and they are the ones selling
the hardware/software, so they are also performing the services. The
sales model that IBM
developed for the AS/400 has put me and other IBMers out of a job.
From
08/12/01:
- I have 20 years
with IBM, age 43, a sales specialist that has made my quota every year,
a level 2 performer consistantly. I was notified that I have until aug
10th to find something within IBM. No luck. Today is the last day.
- Age 57...17 years
with IBM. Let go 8/10 with 30 days
notice. Every place I looked, hiring managers have
been told by HR no Headcount until 4th Q. Sales
unit I was in was ahead of quota through the first
half as I was in my assigned segment. My main account
being taken over my a recent college graduate who
has a lot to learn about the IT business compared
to my 30 years in it at 3 major companies. Received
a 2 rating this year, a raise a few months ago, and
had only a couple of 3s in my career with IBM...other
ratings higher. Look at the "select" list for
our Sales and Distribution program. Highlight those
over 40 and you will see yellow all over the page.
Why not change the initials of the company to
something else as those with cultural memories of
the "old" IBM are driven out of the company.
- Last Week a previous
manager was fired ...Don't know why for his dismissal,but at appears
that older season veterans are being targeted.
Work Profile:
- Worked @ IBM E.Fishkill for ~ 23 Years
- Age aprox.55 Years old.
- Ongoing 2 performer
- Here in Burlington
300 temps were laid off in manufacturing last month, many before the
end of their contracts. We were told this was to counter any addtional
cuts to regular employees. Soon rumers started that our AWS premium
was being reduced and we were going to a reduced work week, but many
managers held special meetings to assure us this would not be happening.
Two weeks later our AWS was cut in half and our hours were reduced.
Now the rumer is that employees with less than a year of service could
be laid off any time and we don't know what to believe. Manufacturing
employees are the lowest paid on the site, yet we were the only ones
to have our pay and hours cut. Those with the least here are paying
the greatest price for the current slowdown in semi-comductor demand.
- "Don't know
the details, but "job action" just took place in Tivoli. Contractors
have been dropping like flies for the last few weeks, but Tuesday a
slew of regular employees got the axe."
- From e-mails we've
received: ages of employees just laid off in server group: 43, 45, 52,
42, three over 50
- Hi, I just heard
that a mechanical designer was laid off. Guess what, he's over 50 years
old with 27 years of service. The manager/employee meetings have just
started this morning here in Austin, so I'm sure we'll hear more as
the day goes
on! The Server Group is the division that's supposed to be hit here
in Austin, that I know of. I wore black to be compassionate to those
that need moral support on this "Black Tuesday".
- "As one of
the recently laid-off (July 2) I sincerely hope you organize the entire
company into a union. What a rip off the headlines were...Skills Rebalancing,
what a joke. Try getting rid of everyone over 50. As a Global Services
Consultant I have talked with many newly laid off folks and
they all are over 50. They told us it was because we weren't selling
enough and they told the newspaper is was skills rebalancing. I would
love to give you my name but unfortunately the 8 weeks of pay would
be ripped away immediately. We must protect Big Blue...heaven forbid
the world find out what it's really like to work there! Go get em!"
- "I am 51 and
most of the people I know who were laid off are over 50. "
- "In Canada,
IGS had a "re-assignment" package which started on April 9th
and was to end a month later. About 250 staff were to find new opportunities
in other than an "IGS" area. Tough to do! After one month,
some staff with 5-20 years service were given a buyout based on service
( max 75 weeks ie. not retirement eligible). A number took the package
and others had another month to look for a position. After
another month, we were told to keep doing our jobs like nothing happened.
To add insult to injury, our annual pay reviews were dispersed to all
other staff. Net 0. And yes, the majority of the "re-assigned"
had gray hair with anywhere from 15-35 years service as well as "1"
performers. Age discrimination - no doubt."
- "I am 49 years
old and have roughly 19 years total with IBM with consistently good
evaluations and steady promotions .....I've known that my job was cut
for 6 months, but didn't get official word until July 10th. Tivoli has
been hit hard by reorganizing, downsizing and general submersion into
IBM. I am not privy to the specific numbers, but it isn't pretty. ......
I've attempted to find another position within IBM during the last 6
months, but in spite of numerous openings posted, hiring within the
Software Group was frozen. All of this while still trying to function
within my current job, doing the right
thing by my customers. How can we do our jobs in this sort of environment?
The uncertainty was almost worse than the imminent layoff. After six
months of staring at that ax, you want it to fall already. .....
What is saddest
about this entire mess is that IBM used to be such a wonderful place
to work, a place that valued employees and fostered superb management
principle and procedure. All of that is gone.
This has been dehumanizing. I was forced out in 1993,
nearly screwed out of my pension by the cash balance
fiasco, and now laid off. Enough already!"
- "In June,
I was 'thrown over the wall' from a position in which I was the most
skilled in the call center to a position where I ended up being the
'least skilled'. On July 12th, I was handed a 'package' with the explanation
that I was chosen because I was the least skilled. I have 27+ years
with the company, am single and my pension and health benefits are the
only thing I have going for me. Now I will lose them all. I am in the
process of beginning a series of complex medical procedures (results
from the job) which I will not be able to proceed with once terminated
on August 13. Without my medical benefits, I will lose my extremeties
if I live long enough on what meds I may be able to afford, if I can
get medical insurance in a new job. My skills are so intrenched in IBM
proprietary products and processes that I will never find an outside
job that pays what I now receive. One month is not enough time to find
a job in today's environment. All the postings out there are for appearances
purposes only (the jobs are already filled before being posted)."
- "Rochester
- Server Group - A number of people have been called into their manager's
office and told that they should be looking for a different job (week
of July 9-13). All because of where they are in the ranking. The managers
deny that a layoff is coming and stress that this is not a layoff at
this time. Apparently they want to reduce their headcount quietly so
they can avoid a layoff. ... My manager's been telling me about jobs
at the other sites, but when I followup on those, they aren't really
there. Looks like I'm going to be living in my car in a few weeks!"
- "Hello, and
thank you for your service to those of us who could use some representation.
Here at Fishkill, most workers lost the AWS premium. Also, there has
been a great deal of shuffling around of workers. Also, lots of confidential
meetings of management. I have already begun looking for another job,
considering the shakiness of the situation and the low pay for the work"
- "Please let
the laid-off folks know that there are people out there who do care
about them and their families. They will be in our thoughts and prayers.
And I hope they can find new
positions quickly."
- "First of
all, thank you for this web site. Yesterday, I was offered "the
package", and have until the 10th of Aug to find another position
within the company ... to date have booked over $37M in revenue for
the year. I have been given a Top Contributor Award 4 times. Yesterday,
I was told that my "skills do not match my band level". I
am firm believer in the fact that IBM needs to have an employee union,
and to that end will help you in what ever way I can"
- "I'm 45 years
old, 15 years of service, I/T architect ...I have 30 days to find another
position, but from the inside, like it matters..."
- "Last year
I was promoted to band 9, and still received a "1" performance
rating. 22 years with IBM. Very experienced web developer with lots
of software development experience. I'm contacting everyone I know looking
for openings, but there seems to be a hiring freeze everywhere."
- "Age 45, 23
plus years with IBM ...Was a 1 performer the last 2 years and was asked
to leave IBM because of my skills, but they left a new hire from 1 year
ago on board that I trained."
- "I was laid
off on Tuesday after thirteen months with IBM and exemplary performance
reviews. I achieved 96% of quota in the first half of 2001 ... I am
42 years old."
- "I've been
with IBM for 22+ years and have been rated a 2 for the majority of my
career. Last year I was given a Leadership Award and on the path to
be promoted to a Band 9 level. The organization that I'm part of now,
recruited me and promised to give me my Band 9 level ... Tuesday, July
10th, my mgr. called me in the pm and indicated that I was being layed
off. In part, because I was ranked at the bottom because I was
not meeting the requirements and demands of my new role."
- "My husband
was just "layed off" with just 30 day notice after working
for IBM for 23 years. They claim they do not need his "skills"
anymore. Nothing has changed in the area he works in, he had many contracts
going and on the same
day he was "let go" he received the largest award for closing
a contract. His record is great every year winning many awards , 100
percent clubs, golden circle, etc., etc. His skills include hardware,
software, managment, and sales. Does IBM not need anyone in those areas
anymore or was he let go because he is only 7 years from possible retirement?"
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